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Post by ekvirtanen on Jan 11, 2008 6:51:19 GMT -5
Well, here is my first impression (my visits at online interpreter are not counted now).
I originally thought this cant work since we have php which is free. RunBasic is neat but is it worth of its price tag?
Depends from who you are asking.
If i would be a web developer, i would not pay this price. There is great tools for that purpose and for free. They are developed all the time by hundreds of programmers and documented by thousands of peoples.
I doubt RB can ever make major markets at pure web developing genre. I can be wrong but this is how i think.
Maybe in time when i learn more about RB i find things which makes it so much better than php in example, i can change my opinion.
But i am a basic programmer who works with websites too and that makes RB as allmost worth of its price tag for me.
When i can set it up for linux (native), then it is worth of its price. wine is wine, no matter how well it works.
But since i am what i am, i am also propably best target for RB as an customer?
Does young boy who wants to study himself as webdeveloper pay price of this product that can be as much as he has money to eat in a week? I doubt.
This is why i do recommend shareware RB offered to download so it starts to spread. One online interpreter is not enough, sorry but it is nothing if you think what are RB's competitors.
In scale of 1 to 10, ill do give 7 for RB. Good number from linux "wannab" who uses RB with wine.
RB is young project and its dev.side seems to know what they are doing. Future of RB doesnt necessary look brilliant but atleast good.
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 11, 2008 7:16:52 GMT -5
My impression of RB is different, more upbeat. I have worked as a consultant tech writer and trainer in small, medium, and large companies (General Electric is pretty big) for 35 years. I have, at times, installed skunk works (under-the-desk) Linux servers, Apache on Windows, everybody-edit-this-one-document collaborative wiki thing before wikis were invented, and HTML pages instead of copy-the-manual PDF for online help for running multi-million-dollar equipment. I have written and been paid for over 5 million words put together to explain how to make things work. If I had Run BASIC at any time in the past 35 years, I would be a very rich man running a nationwide technical communication consulting company. I would have hundreds of clients, each with their own intranet-extranet wikis, inhouse collaborative documentation projects, inhouse email and scheduling tools, customer relations database and support, and suites of project management apps -- all running on Run BASIC servers, and all easily maintainable and upgradable by people without computer science degrees or IT certification. The thing about Run BASIC is not how it competes with existing products for doing jobs they already do quite well, but how it opens new possibilities to create tools and applications that have not been thought of yet. Run BASIC is not the "new" PHP, or Python, or Ruby on Rails, or AJAX tool. It's off on a different track. It is the totally new "use your browser to do your job" tool. And the real beauty of it is that I can teach anyone how to be independently productive in Run BASIC in one-tenth the time it would take them to be independently productive in any of the current web-work tools and technologies. Looks like I'll be a very rich president of a large nationwide technical communication consulting company after all....  |
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Post by ekvirtanen on Jan 11, 2008 8:35:37 GMT -5
Hi Jerry. I forgot to mention that wine + RB takes about 35% to 50% CPU usage together and i do have 1000Mhz here so not bad at all  |
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Post by mackrackit on Jan 11, 2008 8:57:52 GMT -5
I do not see how you can compare RB with anything else. What else is a stand-alone server that can run applications?
I do mostly embedded systems (CNC type stuff). I have customers that want world wide access to the date from these machines. Pre RB this some times was a little difficult. Now after a few days of playing with RB I can see the cost of RB included in these machines. The cost that is much less than the sales tax. My customers will have RB installed at their machines location. Customer can monitor activity, I can do what ever I need to do with out a site visit. I can do this now in some cases, RB will make this easier and more efficient.
One of my kid is majoring in Computer Science. Have you seem the cost of text books lately? Talk about eating for a week...Try a month.
Native for Linux. For the moment there is nothing wrong with Wine. I would prefer RB for Linux instead of using Wine but RB works fine this way for now. I would bet that people into any type of computer application development will have more than one machine and several OSs to play with. Example, where I am sitting right now I have at my disposal:
2 machines running Ubuntu 7.10
1 machine running Mandrake 10
1 machine running XP Home
1 machine running XP Pro
2 machines running WIN 98 SE
They all have there place and need.
The thing that RB is doing for me is making common ground for all the above machines!
So my first impression with Run Basic is.
HOW DID I EVER GET ALONG WITH OUT IT!!!
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Post by mackrackit on Jan 11, 2008 9:05:13 GMT -5
Hi Jerry. I forgot to mention that wine + RB takes about 35% to 50% CPU usage together and i do have 1000Mhz here so not bad at all I have RB on Ubuntu 7.10 with a 1400MHz 760 ram. If RB and Wine are the only thing running I see 0% CPU usage. When a call is made to the server the CPU usage will spike to 11%. |
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Post by ekvirtanen on Jan 11, 2008 9:47:33 GMT -5
I never sayd there is some other similar, but it can be build from few other free softwares and using them together. But this was not the prime issue anyway. No clue how much they cost where you live but my expenses were about 60e which is 88.44USD. Average student can get a average book with that money. Exactly, __for now__. But i guess everyone who uses RB for professional reasons does know what is difference between native and emulated (ok, wine is not a emulator) process. Yeah, CPU usage comparisons in these cases are worthless since differences can be up to so many different variables. And 50% is not much in my opinion. When i tested IE + wine, it did take like 75% and with MediaPlayer whole system went stuck. Ill drink for that right after sauna  |
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Post by carlgundel on Jan 11, 2008 13:57:50 GMT -5
"Be productive in Run BASIC in one-tenth the time." -- Jerry Muelver
Can I quote you?
-Carl
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 11, 2008 14:38:53 GMT -5
"Be productive in Run BASIC in one-tenth the time." -- Jerry Muelver Can I quote you? -Carl Sure. If anyone challenges my claim, I'd be happy to set up clinical trials for them to finance and run.... |
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Post by ekvirtanen on Jan 11, 2008 16:22:12 GMT -5
Hey guys, chill out. Eventhough i am not as enthusiastic as most of peoples here, i think RB rocks I am from dark and cold Finland, that makes me bit cold and gumby |
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 12, 2008 8:09:22 GMT -5
No problem, E.K. Everything's cool, except Run BASIC, which is definitely HOT!. I know you're a text kind of guy, like me, so this exercise will be an eye-opener. Run one of the graphics demos in the delivered RB package, Spirals for instance. Now try to duplicate that little app in Perl, Ruby, Python, PHP, or JavaScript.... |
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Post by StefanPendl on Jan 12, 2008 8:17:32 GMT -5
Run one of the graphics demos in the delivered RB package, Spirals for instance. Now try to duplicate that little app in Perl, Ruby, Python, PHP, or JavaScript.... I created a 3D Julia Pattern generator, which is posted on the wiki, it splits the generation into three passes, due to the time limit on www.runbasic.com/. This splitting can be removed for the personal version. Have you ever seen something similar in a different web programming language  An other example is creating a chart or other statistical graphic. There are some free charting applets available on the net, but I like to have full control, without relying on external source |
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Post by turbov21 on Jan 14, 2008 11:58:13 GMT -5
It is the totally new "use your browser to do your job" tool. Run BASIC brings the simplicity of the command line to your browser. |
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