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Post by Jerry Muelver on Dec 23, 2007 5:42:41 GMT -5
Suppose I get a VPS dedicated server (about $40 a month), running Windows, from an ISP. How do I go about getting RB running on that server? Or, is that a problem for the ISP to solve? If I sell subscriptions for RB programming accounts, do I run a separate server instance for each account, or do they all share the same RB server?
I can get RB running on an intranet for intranet-ish purposes. And I can get it running on a home computer with a static IP so the one instance with its "published" program can be accessed through the web. But I think the way to go with multiple accounts is by sharing a dedicated server. Is that the sort of thing that needs a special version of RB?
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Post by carlgundel on Dec 23, 2007 20:48:11 GMT -5
Suppose I get a VPS dedicated server (about $40 a month), running Windows, from an ISP. How do I go about getting RB running on that server? Or, is that a problem for the ISP to solve? If I sell subscriptions for RB programming accounts, do I run a separate server instance for each account, or do they all share the same RB server? The personal license is not designed for this. There is only one username and password for each installation. What sort of licensing terms would be attractive for service providers selling RB hosting? It may be that buying one license per customer (reassignable to another customer if service is terminated) makes sense, and that upfront cost can be recouped with monthly charges. On the other hand, there may be very sensible multi-user licensing that can be designed. Obviously the pricing would have to work for the person selling service or else nobody would make any money. Any thoughts? -Carl
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Dec 23, 2007 22:01:39 GMT -5
I think a developer would have a personal (or enterprise) license already. An app might then be "published" on a dedicated server. Build your game offline, publish it when it works. Each published app would have a fee attached to it. Revenue sharing, a royalty split from the ISP to you, could also be built into the server license, so the more use the system gets, the more income it generates. It might be kind of like if you charged a monthly membership fee for accessing runbasic.com, and made the members' applications accessible from a "published" list. In fact, that might be a good way to start it out. Then look for ways to expand when you start bumping into the capacity ceiling.
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 11:23:59 GMT -5
Responses to my queries to ISPs are trickling in. 1and1.com will host it on a Windows dedicated server for $60/mo for the first three moths, $120/mo after that. A little rich for my blood, but might be good for a small-business solution.
Carl, would they just setup and run RB Personal, or what?
Stay tuned....
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Post by carlgundel on Jan 15, 2008 14:14:09 GMT -5
Responses to my queries to ISPs are trickling in. 1and1.com will host it on a Windows dedicated server for $60/mo for the first three moths, $120/mo after that. A little rich for my blood, but might be good for a small-business solution. Carl, would they just setup and run RB Personal, or what? Stay tuned.... What about Amazon's EC2 service? I think that's $0.10 per hour, but the charge doesn't go up after 3 months. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_ec2-Carl
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 16:31:19 GMT -5
Never heard of it! I live on Google, you know, and don't get over to Amazon very often. Let's see.... requires S3 account.... not open to public.... about 10 cents an "instance hour"... what the heck is that? Does 24/7 mean 188 per week? Oh... month = 732.... With In/Out traffic of 1G/5G, that would be $75/mo.... Is an "instance" a program? Or do they only count actual session connect time, so 100 accesses a month times 12 minutes each is 1200 minutes or 20 hours... Darn computer people. I guess I'll have to dig into this a bit. Thanks, Carl (I think.... ) !
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 16:55:11 GMT -5
Okay, I'm signed up. I'm poking around to see what it's all about. Don't have a clue, yet, on how to get RB running out there in Seattle....
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 16:58:31 GMT -5
In "Resources".... "Browse by technologies" shows Java, C#, PHP, and Ruby.... No Run BASIC.... At least, not yet....
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Post by turbov21 on Jan 15, 2008 18:04:52 GMT -5
Never heard of it! I live on Google, you know, and don't get over to Amazon very often. The idea behind Amazon EC is you design a virtual server and run it when you need to run it. It can be run 24/7, but the idea is to give small companies who can't buy a bunch of computers for something (say scaling) a way to rent them and pay only for the time they use.
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Post by carlgundel on Jan 15, 2008 19:17:40 GMT -5
Never heard of it! I live on Google, you know, and don't get over to Amazon very often. The idea behind Amazon EC is you design a virtual server and run it when you need to run it. It can be run 24/7, but the idea is to give small companies who can't buy a bunch of computers for something (say scaling) a way to rent them and pay only for the time they use. It could be used by me to sell Run BASIC accounts affordably by sharing one VPS between a dozen or so users. I'll have to do some homework on that. That's also a great way for users to try Run BASIC without spending the whole amount. Pay $10 for a month, and if you buy the personal server you can apply that $10 towards the purchase. -Carl
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Post by carlgundel on Jan 15, 2008 19:20:49 GMT -5
Never heard of it! I live on Google, you know, and don't get over to Amazon very often. Let's see.... requires S3 account.... not open to public.... about 10 cents an "instance hour"... what the heck is that? Does 24/7 mean 188 per week? Oh... month = 732.... With In/Out traffic of 1G/5G, that would be $75/mo.... Is an "instance" a program? An instance is a virtual PC running Windows or Linux, I believe. Additional virtual PCs are created if the load gets too heavy, and the users are distributed automatically between the instances. -Carl
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 20:43:24 GMT -5
I'm digging through the docs. I downloaded the API info, and the command line manager. For a while everything looked geared up to Linux (Ubuntu, Red Hat, Suse, several others), and nothing about Windows. But I think I found some Windows stuff. Sheesh.... It's back to sed and grep and emacs, almost.
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 21:17:41 GMT -5
It could be used by me to sell Run BASIC accounts affordably by sharing one VPS between a dozen or so users. I'll have to do some homework on that. That's also a great way for users to try Run BASIC without spending the whole amount. Pay $10 for a month, and if you buy the personal server you can apply that $10 towards the purchase. -Carl That's what I'm thinking. 732 instance hours a month is $7.32. Get 10 subscribers at $1 a month, and I'm $1.68 to the good. In twelve months, I'll make a little over $20! The prospects are positively dizzying!
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Post by carlgundel on Jan 15, 2008 22:57:29 GMT -5
It could be used by me to sell Run BASIC accounts affordably by sharing one VPS between a dozen or so users. I'll have to do some homework on that. That's also a great way for users to try Run BASIC without spending the whole amount. Pay $10 for a month, and if you buy the personal server you can apply that $10 towards the purchase. -Carl That's what I'm thinking. 732 instance hours a month is $7.32. Get 10 subscribers at $1 a month, and I'm $1.68 to the good. In twelve months, I'll make a little over $20! The prospects are positively dizzying! Umm... Isn't it 10 cents an hour? -Carl
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Post by Jerry Muelver on Jan 15, 2008 23:11:22 GMT -5
10 cents an hour? Oh yeah.... decimal thing.... 732 hours is then $73.20.... So, I'd need about 75 subscribers at a buck apiece to make that $20 a year, not just 10 subscribers. Or, 7.5 subscribers at $10 apiece.... 0.75 subscribers at $100 apiece.... 0.075 subscribers at $1000 apiece....
Gotta have a business plan, you know. One subscriber at $75 a month should do the trick!
Now I can get back to writing that book. 1000 copies sold at $20 each.... or 100 at $200.... or 10 at $2000....
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